Character Archetypes

topic posted Thu, March 24, 2005 - 5:25 PM by  Christopher
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I recently developed some character archetypes. They are based on two assumptions, one of heart, and one of mind:

Heart: Is the character grateful for the gift of existence, or resentful of its limits?

Mind: Does the character know the Truth, or seek the truth.

Which creates my four archetypes:

Resentful Knower (Monster)
Resentful Seeker (Rogue)
Grateful Knower (Saint)
Grateful Seeker (Hero)

These characters contrast, and network, in some interesting ways. Does anybody else like to deal with archetypes? I find it helps me get beneath the superficial props of culture and ideology to bring in the deeper metaphysical conflicts between character types, which I can then bring into focus with specific symbols of culture that resonate the deeper differences. It also helps me understand why they respond differently to a similar stimulus.

Also, and maybe this belong in a different thread, knowing the base assumptions through which they view reality, I can trigger a shift in those assumptions with a designed stimulus, creating life altering “character movement”.

Does that make sense?

Christopher Sly
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  • Re: Character Archetypes

    Thu, March 24, 2005 - 7:23 PM
    These are interesting. I am not being sarcastic when I say that I think using these archetypes in a setting like a grocery store where the characters work might be more interesting than in a Gothic story or a story about the uber powerful and wealthy.

    When you are using archetypes in your writing - how does this help you in forming your stories? Or are you using them to flush out characters in an existing story?
    • Re: Character Archetypes

      Thu, March 24, 2005 - 9:39 PM
      I just finished a novel based on the hero versus monster conflict. The interesting thing about these characters is that they are not people, and that some people can switch characters depending on the situation, while other people are trapped inside of a single character. Because they are trapped, and have never left a character, they believe they are that character, and do not believe there is anything outside that character. Another interesting thing is how the characters pretend to be other characters.

      Yes, a monster could work in a supermarket pretending to be a saint, and beat the living shit out of his bad little girl every night when he gets home. Yes, a rogue could work at the supermarket and pretend to be a hero, and ship cases of booze out the back, then frame the manager and take his job, and laugh himself to sleep. Yes, a saint could work at a supermarket, and correct every single thing you do, out of kindness, to teach you how to do things Right. Yes, a hero could work at a supermarket, and on weekends, make a film about a Goth monster hired by an uber rich Texas rogue to murder the owners of a particular oil property he wanted to acquire at a bargain, with the help of a fundamentalist saint at his local church where uber is a generous philanthropist.

      An example from my book. I am using the monster and the hero, and placing them in conflict, and this becomes an archetypical conflict that has raged down through the ages as these two characters have battled it out in every land in every time. The monster takes his pleasure by inflicting pain, the hero, by giving pleasure. The monster traps his victims in his monster kingdom (Taliban, etc. etc.) and then tortures them to feed his vicious appetites. The monster sets them free, and recruits them for the hero team (Civil War, etc, etc).

      So it would seem that these archetypical characters have archetypical conflicts, and when you identify the archetypes, and the conflicts, then pick relevant examples from history, literature, films, you can then bring these into the work, so that your work resonates your themes through time and space with potent examples as simple as a character name (I used Lysistrata in my novel), and yet, your characters are still unique, your situations unique.

      I used to work otherwise, but for now, I begin with the archetypes, their archetypical conflict, and flesh the story in on their bones. I think you can go about it the other way as well, starting with a real person and situation that moves you, but in the end, to get at the story, you eventually have to peel the flesh from them until you get to the universal condition, so you can turn and build your scenes and chose your symbols to resonate the universal themes through the specific.

      I liked you example about the woman on the cell phone. I s that how you usually build your stories, from the people around you? I do as well, actually. (Don’t tell anyone, but that is where the archetypes come fromJ

      Christopher Sly
      • Re: Character Archetypes

        Sat, April 2, 2005 - 12:29 PM
        Thanks for starting a topic, by the way, Christopher - participation is great.

        To answer your question, usually my scripts which end up being good start from the idea of a cool turn around or a compelling "what if" question.

        I think I keep a mental database for things someone might say or do and characters I've known in my life - and inevitably these people or pieces of their personalities will sneak their way into the movies. Sometimes I'll jot those quirky things I've noticed about people down, but I find that dangerous at times because a great character or an interesting character quirk isn't the easiest place to begin a movie.

        If I think up a great moment of discovery or a great situation that is boiling with dynamic possibility - then I might have something.

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