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I'm working on a new project right now and I'm finding myself avidly trying to AVOID "The hero's journey."
I feel that the hero's journey in it's very specific Campbell based form has maybe overinfluenced our movie culture to the point that most films have become a cliche - even well intentioned movies. I have been in some discussions lately about why - despite the beautiful imagery in cinema now - the overall feeling is becoming more and more bereft of emotion. Some blamed it on the visual effects - but I think that' not going deep enough.
I think the studio generation has been brought up in an era where cinema has been figured out. And if they are older than I am, perhaps they've simply joined the bandwagon.
Once something is figured out - you can manufacture it. "I really feel that we need a little more punch at the opening and by page 10 or so I really think we need to have established our...." Do these people really feel these things or does this feeling come from the assumption that these things are right?
I suspect the awards thrown upon Crash are an awareness of this. There are examples all the time of movies that break the classic rules and truly stand out. There are examples of breaking them and failing miserably.
So what is it when they work?
Each scene has a dynamic fulcrum and all these scenes are unified by a common theme or thread. Unlike the rigid Unities by Aristotle, perhaps cinema unity simply need a uniting idea (Crash = Racism) or uniting event, person, theory, problem. but we don't watch movies, I believe, as much as we watch a series of moments.
You can make the heros journey, but if you're successful, it's not because of that formula, it's because of the ingredients - the scenes with the fulcrum were compelling. If you just fill out the "hero's journey" form - the story is going to feel flat.
What do you think?
I feel that the hero's journey in it's very specific Campbell based form has maybe overinfluenced our movie culture to the point that most films have become a cliche - even well intentioned movies. I have been in some discussions lately about why - despite the beautiful imagery in cinema now - the overall feeling is becoming more and more bereft of emotion. Some blamed it on the visual effects - but I think that' not going deep enough.
I think the studio generation has been brought up in an era where cinema has been figured out. And if they are older than I am, perhaps they've simply joined the bandwagon.
Once something is figured out - you can manufacture it. "I really feel that we need a little more punch at the opening and by page 10 or so I really think we need to have established our...." Do these people really feel these things or does this feeling come from the assumption that these things are right?
I suspect the awards thrown upon Crash are an awareness of this. There are examples all the time of movies that break the classic rules and truly stand out. There are examples of breaking them and failing miserably.
So what is it when they work?
Each scene has a dynamic fulcrum and all these scenes are unified by a common theme or thread. Unlike the rigid Unities by Aristotle, perhaps cinema unity simply need a uniting idea (Crash = Racism) or uniting event, person, theory, problem. but we don't watch movies, I believe, as much as we watch a series of moments.
You can make the heros journey, but if you're successful, it's not because of that formula, it's because of the ingredients - the scenes with the fulcrum were compelling. If you just fill out the "hero's journey" form - the story is going to feel flat.
What do you think?
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Re: Avoiding the Hero's Journey
Thu, June 28, 2007 - 8:09 AMExperiencing ambivilance about the cultural ideas projected in the basic Greek story arc and the cinematic cult of said story arc I have also been searching lately for a way away from the numbing(and often violent) predictability of the Heros Journey.
We are a social colony by definition and yet our story methods rarely reflect that growing awareness. Youtube has ripped open the lid on the short burst territory that was occupied by high-end commercials almost exclusively until recent internet proliferation of short content, and part of that process is comments and ratings directly from the viewers.
Right now I am interested in the story possibilities inherent in twelve-to- twenty sevenish minutes, and I am working on the start of a tryptich of such short pieces that I would like to have each stand on their own as well as function with more meaning when shown all together.
That is the method that I am using to pursue fresh ground in my own process of cinemastory currently.
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Re: Avoiding the Hero's Journey
Thu, June 28, 2007 - 10:12 AMHelp me here a little Mark, is it the story or the Hero's journey that makes the story? Are you looking for more of an O'Henry finish to the story or a complex character within the story. I would agree with you that our movie culture has indeed given mostly cliche *stories* and Characters I'm a little confused as to what you really want. Can you simplify for me? I would have thought that all of your characters had emotion of one sort or other. Without that you have no story worth telling, right? I was taught that smoke and fire was always for the sucker. It certainly seems that Hollywood promotes that notion. Saty true to yourself and you will get the result you want. Right?
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Re: Avoiding the Hero's Journey
Fri, June 29, 2007 - 8:02 AMHave you read David Foster Wallace's critique of the Hero's Journey in "Another Pioneer?" (Oblivion: Stories) He plays with the cliche in a beautifully sardonic way.
Likewise I think Campbell would get an ironic laugh out of film people making cookie-cutter versions of his monomyth. In the ways I write, characters don't follow structure. They behave and move about their world in ways authentic to them. The best way I can think to describe it is a deep listening to who they are, what they want. I allow them to alter my life when I am writing them: I once cooked Italian for a year whlle I was writing a novel about a family in fascist Italy. I believe even the theme approach works only to the extent that it is the driving force of the character. Crash was well-written, and the actors elevated the material beyond it's character types.